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About Caninsulin/Vetsulin 
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I'll fix this later tonight. What I'll do is change the article name to Caninsulin, change Vetsulin to a redirection to Caninsulin, and change the first paragraph slightly to match.
If you want to give this a try yourself for practise, of course feel free....
You'll have to remove the "Caninsulin" redirect page first.
Steve
From Kathy about U40 syringes Edit
I will get to the U40's if no one else does. The Ulti-Care ones are on par with BD syringes. They also produce a line of U100 syringes, all of which can be ordered on the net--no Rx necessary (some states require one).
Caninsulin/Vetsulin has their own brand--they are standard 28g, 1/2" length and come in 1/2cc (max 40U) and 1cc(max 50U). Ulti produces only a 1/2cc U40; their standard is 29g, 1/2". Those with larger dogs need to buy the Caninsulin/Vetsulin syringes, which are more costly than the Ultis. Have another source or two for the Ulti brand ones, as Ulti-Care itself only ships in the US; other source(s) will send to both Canada and UK. Will also get to lising Ulti-Care as a U100 syringe source.
I'm forever searching for new pet diabetes info & sources of it. When we received word from my "people" diabetics whom I also work with that Lilly was discontinuing the 4 insulins back in July, I realized what it would mean to both dogs AND cats using them. And so I posted the info to CDMB then signed up to let all of you at FDMB know what was going to happen.
Stopped posting at CDMB about 2-3 months ago as someone there insists on repeating misinformation regarding insulin time activity profiles, trying to say that a lente insulin acts like 70/30 mix. Not even taking the 2 profiles apart head to head in 2 hour slices got this to stop. Said I'd return when the problem was corrected with the continual misinformation, as it was confusing newbies terribly, who are needing/wanting facts. Did not get tired of helping, but of needing to repeatedly correct someone who should know better.
Kathy
no need to remove most messages Edit
- Actually the practise on most wikis is NOT to remove messages you're finished with -- just draw a line under them (or use the "+" tab button above the talk page) and move on to the next conversation. If the conversation was personal or you want to delete it, it's up to you. But most conversations can stay and make a nice public record of what's gone on. This way there's less stuff to do and more memory of what's been said. Note that the "+" button above the talk page is designed to do this easily. Steve and Jock 14:09, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Great work yourself!Edit
Venita, your energy and "marketing" at the FDMB are vital to this project. But don't talk yourself down -- your speed at picking this stuff up and your excellent articles are just what is needed! I've moved all my energy from the FDMB over here, and you're still doing both. Thanks so much for doing what you do! --Steve and Jock 15:50, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Thank you Steve. Venita 16:03, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
CDMB Edit
We hope 16:22, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC) 16:21, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC) What may be best is for me to notify the board owner that the wiki exists and let her decide whether she wants to post it or not, as well as letting some of my friends who could contribute know. I left CDMB close to 3 months ago re: ancedotal misinformation replacing medical facts in the case of lente insulins. Said I would return when the situation was rectified. It has not been as person continues to substitute personal bias for medical information.
I don't want them to feel that anyone's trying to "steal" people from CDMB--that this is a "revenge" for my leaving. Left when correcting misinforming person was more frequent than actually helping people who needed to know. It is an admin type of problem that seems not to have been dealt with. Got tired of needing to try fixing it alone; realized that in not doing so, it would appear that I am agreeing with erroneous poster. I do not, and so I left.
Kathy
- Steve posted on CDMB 11/12/05. Venita 06:39, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
About new categories Edit
Like articles, categories shouldn't have capital letters except on proper nouns, or on the very first word. (The first letter of the first word is not case-sensitive.)
Would you like to be the one to move the category "Other Medical Conditions and Procedures" to "Other medical conditions and procedures"? Steve and Jock 12:10, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- How do I do this? A redirect? Or can I edit? Venita 13:40, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- It was trickier than I thought - required that I delete the first category page (while saving its contents), then go to the "Dental" article, change the category name, click on the new name, and re-add the contents. --Steve and Jock 14:19, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Thank you for taking care of it. Venita 17:08, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Help:ConventionsEdit
Your objection to the use of "Community Portal" for naming conventions is well-taken. I've moved it to a new Help page Help:Conventions. This is linked from the "Help" link on the left navbar, as well as from the Community Portal since it's news for editors. Plus anywhere else you like. --Steve and Jock 14:19, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Dental Article Edit
We hope 15:22, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC) I think this is GREAT!! Not a lot of difference in the two; will check with my medical source on Thursday to see if I missed any points on canine dentals. The most common procedure question for diabetic dogs is about cataract surgery, as most do develop them over time. Regarding giving a partial dose of insulin, we've been of the "school" that believes in it, as an IDDM needs some amount of insulin for the body's needs even without food--the basal.
Canine also got quite a lot of questions regarding suddenly high bg's. Unsure if this is true with cats, but some sensitive dogs can come up with sky-high bg readings from heartworm meds and/or using flea preventives. None of the literature for the meds themselves includes this possibility in diabetics, but it DOES happen and many vets don't realize it. My well-regulated little guy posted a 500+ when tested less than 24 hours after taking monthly heartworm med. Bg's settled down again within a few days.
Had a post to canine not long ago from person whose cousin is a vet--neither could understand why well-regulated dog's bg's suddenly shot up with no other indications. Asked her if she used heartworm meds--indeed, this was the answer--the heartworm med!
- Cool, Kathy, thanks for the tip! I've added this information to Obstacles to regulation. --Steve and Jock 15:50, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Responded to Kathy at http://petdiabetes.wikicities.com/wiki/User_talk:We_hope#Dental_procedure. Venita 16:02, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
IDDM Edit
We hope 16:24, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC) This is "medspeak" for insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus. Term is used most when discussing people and helps to separate those who produce no insulin on their own and are 100% dependent on what they must inject or pump--Type 1 diabetics. Non-IDDMs are your Type 2's, who may be able to control it through diet, orals,some use of insulin or any combination of these; they are still producing insulin, but not enough of it for their body's needs. And then it helps keep it "straight" from the other diabetes--diabetes insipidus--(AKA the "thirsty disease" because its sufferers drink great quantities of water.). DI is not as common as DM and it's treated differently. Still, it is classed as a diabetes.
Emergency Vets Link Edit
Venita! I just wanted to say that the link you posted for Emergency Vets around the world is FANTASTIC! I didn't even know that something like that existed. I hope more people are made aware of it through this website.
--Sheree and Nemesis 03:15, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Filling in my user profile. Edit
Hi Venita, I've just filled in my profile and wonder if I've done it correctly. I'm a complete idiot when it comes to computers, let alone a wiki so I hope it's OK. Would you let me know if there is anything I should have done better? Thanks, Claire
- Looks good Claire. I changed a couple links, including one category; you can see the details by looking at the history page. Steve will likely move it over to the case study name space; I'm not sure how to do it. PS. you can "sign and date" your messages by typing 4 tildes (~). That gives a link to your user page. Venita 12:41, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)
New Namespace Case: Edit
Hi Venita! I moved Jock's case and Maxwell's to the new "Case:" space. Existing links are redirected. This means there's now a different article list for Cases than for other articles, which should make you happy. :)
You can click here to see the Case namespace in all its glory, or click on the Special:Allpages page and then select the (Case) namespace.
Oh, P.S. Re larger article count: Kathy and I added a bunch of little one-line articles for various insulins. Yeah they're small but they may grow, and in the meantime the categories and redirects are much more sensible.
Steve and Jock 08:13, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Looks very good Steve. You might want to move Claire's cats too. At User:Claire_Walter_and_Nimzo. I never knew there were so many insulins. Pretty incredible. Certainly never learned that on the FDMB. You guys are doing an incredible job!! Venita 12:45, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Bolus, Basal & Iletin I beef/pork Edit
I'll be glad to get to bolus & basal explanations. When I realize I'm likely inserting a new word or term, I try to "Thumbnail" it in the article, until it can be dealt with more.
Re: Iletin beef/pork insulin--it was a blend of 10-15% pork insulin to 85-90% beef insulin--very much like PZIVet, except this came in R/neutral, NPH etc--not just PZI. The only company I'm aware of who still puts out a blend like this is Beta in Argentina. Lilly killed this about 3-5 years ago, leaving only pork insulins--now they're gone too.
Not sure this long gone insulin needs a lot of space (if any). Those who use both species like this usually use the beef (because it can outlast Lantus in people) for bolus and the pork (because it acts faster then beef in humans)for mealtimes.
If you do want to list it, I have an old Lilly chart showing the pure beef, beef/pork blend, semilente insulins, etc. If it wouldn't be a copyright problem, I'd be glad to upload it--it lets you see how many insulins "disappeared" in a short timespan.
We hope 18:26, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Kathy
- Thanks for adding articles on bolus, basal, suspension and all those other other medical and pharmacological terms us neophytes know nothing about but are bombarded with in these articles. That can help our heads from spinning out of control. As for the Iletin beef/pork thing, I'm don't think it's appropriate to add an article for a "long-gone" insulin. But maybe in the insulin article, you could use another example of a "blended" insulin or just get rid of that ref to Iletin and use only the ref to PZI vet. Just 2 cents from this Newbie who's trying to follow things around. Venita 13:36, 23 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Iletin I Edit
We hope 14:47, 23 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Am thinking about how to re-work this and still leave it as a reference because many vets who've been practicing a while used the pure beef Iletin I and the beef/pork Iletin I, particularly for cats. I'd like to have it known that the CP bovine neutral and the Insuvet neutral are identical to the pure beef Iletin I. This would also make the Insuvet and CP bovine insulins equivalent to the pure beef Iletin I types and make PZIVet equivalent to the old Iletin I beef/pork mix PZI. When needing to switch insulins, it may make the process of selection a little easier.
Kathy
- Kathy. I am so deep over my head in this pool it's laughable. If the point is to direct vets, then maybe there does need to be a page for that insulin that explains to the reader just what you explained to me but I didn't understand. Venita 15:55, 23 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Both -- I started out thinking that a few insulin articles and plenty of redirects would work. So we were in sync before. But things have changed -- the more insulins Kathy added, the less sensible that got, and now it only works properly if every insulin gets its own article. And why not? We have no limits here, let's do it! Kathy is willing to add the info, and I'm willing to make a template (see Help:Templates ) and help with categories and it will be the most rocking insulin guide on the web, and there you go. We may need to put in some trademark notices to avoid lawyerly grumbling from TM holders.
- By the way, a mailing list communication might be easier when we're having 3-way or more conversations. Kathy, would you mind joining the mailing list, with "digest" off? it's here: http://lists.wikicities.com/mailman/listinfo/petdiabetes-l --Steve and Jock 21:39, 23 Nov 2005 (UTC)
More On Iletin and what it equals Edit
Many US vets are under the impression, courtesy of internet misinformation, that one cannot get beef and/or pork insulins any more. BUNK!! Many of the younger ones in practice know little about them; before approval of Vetsulin and our IND for Caninsulin, we used Iletin II Lente (pork). Got stuck taking Lucky to someone else for a semi-emergency, as both of mine were out of town. Vet was 1 year out of med school and looked at the Iletin II vial like it came from the moon; she had no clue, because it wasn't human insulin, which WAS covered in med school. And so, for all of those who don't know, I think we need a place to clue them in. With the pure beef, if you need other than the BCP PZI, it will take importing from CP Pharma, but it CAN be done if this is what the pet (or person) does best on. CP is also another source for pure beef PZI.
This will also need to be done if a person or pet needs pork insulin other than the Caninsulin/Vetsulin lente--to import pork R/neutral or pork NPH from them. Making the "connection" a little easier might improve lives.
Kathy
Insulin Guide Edit
We hope 02:09, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
To you both--
It looks like we may have the best insulin database started here on wiki. (Heaven only knows how many clicks I made in the last 3 or so years to get the info--bit by bit!) I'd asked my friend Sabine to have a look at what we started here; she was VERY impressed with it. Sabine and I have done some internet work recently, getting DDG (German version of ADA) to issue a position statement regarding beef and pork insulin. They are now supportive, enough so to assist in gaining cooperation of one or more Euro pharmas (Other than CP Pharma and Novo, who periodically says they will stop pork.) as long-term sources of it. News like this is good for ALL with diabetes--more options. For a few hours I kept sending her translated PubMed articles--many with the current DDG president as one of the investigators. Not long after she sent them to DDG, the position statement was released.
The database is something I've wanted to see become reality ever since I started working with diabetes. It was the internet which made us aware of Caninsulin and allowed us to learn enough about it to see it was like the old Iletin II Lente in all but its strength. The rest of the stuff we picked up along the way, in turn, may help someone else, somewhere else. When we were getting nowhere, I simply read about every insulin I could find something on, trying to see if it might help Lucky; you are now getting everything I found as we searched. I think we will not only help pets but people with it.
I'll put in for the digest form of the mailing list. Used to be on the Pet Diabetes one--until something went wild and started sending me every e-mail. I had about 600-800 messages in the Yahoo mailbox when I realized what was happening.
Kathy
Message from GermanyEdit
Hi Venita, thanks for your message! I visit this site from Germany. As the organizer of PRO TIERISCHES INSULIN, the network for the availability of animal insulin for diabetics with an intolerance to genetically engineered insulin, I linked this important site to our website because of the important informations not only for owners of diabetic pets. Greetings, Buschfrau
Dilution source Edit
I just emailed you with an excellent, perhaps overly-long article on diluting insulins. Feel free to use it as a source, but we don't have permission to copy it.
--Steve and Jock 11:56, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- The dilution portion of the Diluting and combining insulin article completed. Venita 14:16, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)
